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		<title>By: Asterai</title>
		<link>http://thepaletree.net/2012/03/16/guild-wars-just-as-diverse-as-reality/#comment-313</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Asterai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with you that some of the characters look caucasian-ish, but the primary point of the article is not the perfection of _physical_ portrayal of ethnic diversity (although that&#039;s in there too); it&#039;s about the character/ prominence/ presence/ heroism portrayal of ethnicities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you that some of the characters look caucasian-ish, but the primary point of the article is not the perfection of _physical_ portrayal of ethnic diversity (although that&#8217;s in there too); it&#8217;s about the character/ prominence/ presence/ heroism portrayal of ethnicities.</p>
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		<title>By: Verene</title>
		<link>http://thepaletree.net/2012/03/16/guild-wars-just-as-diverse-as-reality/#comment-305</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Verene]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know what? Yes, I do greatly dislike - maybe even have something of a grudge - about how things like race, gender, and sexuality are portrayed in other games. This doesn&#039;t mean I have &quot;issues&quot;. This means I&#039;m not happy with the fact that we live in a racist, sexist, homophobic society. I don&#039;t like being faced with that fact at every turn. 

Simply turning off the offending game (or movie, or TV show), does nothing to change these things. I&#039;m not happy with just sitting back not trying to change things. 

And yes, this sort of thing does help. It&#039;s small, but the more companies are willing to step outside the idea of &quot;only straight white men play our games&quot; and actually include everyone in their games in ways that do not rely on offensive stereotypes, the more that these games are held up as examples of how things SHOULD be done, the more the players and consumers (that is, us) point out that games that are inclusive of everyone, the more things will slowly change. 

Not being happy with the status quo doesn&#039;t mean that someone has issues. The opposite, in fact. Things like sexism, racism, and homophobia need to be fought wherever they appear - including video games.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what? Yes, I do greatly dislike &#8211; maybe even have something of a grudge &#8211; about how things like race, gender, and sexuality are portrayed in other games. This doesn&#8217;t mean I have &#8220;issues&#8221;. This means I&#8217;m not happy with the fact that we live in a racist, sexist, homophobic society. I don&#8217;t like being faced with that fact at every turn. </p>
<p>Simply turning off the offending game (or movie, or TV show), does nothing to change these things. I&#8217;m not happy with just sitting back not trying to change things. </p>
<p>And yes, this sort of thing does help. It&#8217;s small, but the more companies are willing to step outside the idea of &#8220;only straight white men play our games&#8221; and actually include everyone in their games in ways that do not rely on offensive stereotypes, the more that these games are held up as examples of how things SHOULD be done, the more the players and consumers (that is, us) point out that games that are inclusive of everyone, the more things will slowly change. </p>
<p>Not being happy with the status quo doesn&#8217;t mean that someone has issues. The opposite, in fact. Things like sexism, racism, and homophobia need to be fought wherever they appear &#8211; including video games.</p>
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		<title>By: einwulf</title>
		<link>http://thepaletree.net/2012/03/16/guild-wars-just-as-diverse-as-reality/#comment-300</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[einwulf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 05:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One last thing. Big difference between being offended and having objections. Ok, I&#039;m done now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last thing. Big difference between being offended and having objections. Ok, I&#8217;m done now.</p>
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		<title>By: einwulf</title>
		<link>http://thepaletree.net/2012/03/16/guild-wars-just-as-diverse-as-reality/#comment-299</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[einwulf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 05:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with what you say, only I&#039;m not saying that if you disagree with me then you have issues. I&#039;m saying games are games. To let yourself get offended by content in games....  Come on. Shake your head, turn off that game that &quot;offends&quot; you and move on. The author seemed to have a grudge for the way race has been portrayed in other games. I can&#039;t think of any game that has crossed any line far enough as to be considered offensive. Except maybe Final Fantasy xiv. I&#039;m offended by them trying to release and sell a game, quite possibly, a year or two before it was ready. Cheers to arenanet for taking the time and spending the extra dough to make the game to the best of their ability :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with what you say, only I&#8217;m not saying that if you disagree with me then you have issues. I&#8217;m saying games are games. To let yourself get offended by content in games&#8230;.  Come on. Shake your head, turn off that game that &#8220;offends&#8221; you and move on. The author seemed to have a grudge for the way race has been portrayed in other games. I can&#8217;t think of any game that has crossed any line far enough as to be considered offensive. Except maybe Final Fantasy xiv. I&#8217;m offended by them trying to release and sell a game, quite possibly, a year or two before it was ready. Cheers to arenanet for taking the time and spending the extra dough to make the game to the best of their ability <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Verene</title>
		<link>http://thepaletree.net/2012/03/16/guild-wars-just-as-diverse-as-reality/#comment-297</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Verene]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 03:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Cataclysm is what the destruction of Orr was called :P 

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Cataclysm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Cataclysm is what the destruction of Orr was called <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p><a href="http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Cataclysm" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Cataclysm</a></p>
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		<title>By: TJ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 03:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;cataclysm?&quot;. Or did you mean searing?  The former makes me think of another game. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;cataclysm?&#8221;. Or did you mean searing?  The former makes me think of another game. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mimernor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mimernor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 00:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@einwulf
Sure, no group should &#039;have&#039; to feature in every game -- or any one game.
Making players &#039;feel at home&#039; in game environments is a core quality marker for games. That level of enjoyment is pretty awesome.

Additionally, there is merit in innovation and originality. It&#039;s cool to have nostalgic ol&#039; content, but new stuff makes games so much more entertaining. 

The way I read it, this article series highlights elements of the Guild Wars games that are different from those found in other current (and past) popular game series. I think you are right that this is an intentional &#039;reaching out&#039;...but &#039;reaching out&#039; as in &#039;helping out&#039;.

I&#039;m pretty sure your comment on people having &#039;issues&#039; comes across as insulting (even when that&#039;s not your intent). And I hope you don&#039;t tell people who disagree that they have &#039;issues&#039; too. Having objections to how games treat &#039;types&#039; of characters is fine, imo. It&#039;s not like we have to like every part of our favourite game and find it unobjectionable. Even &#039;pure entertainment&#039; can be messed up, or weird to some people, or &#039;wrong&#039; to some other people. 
Sure, some comments make me wonder &#039;is it that bad?&#039; when someone outright won&#039;t even consider playing a game for some minor reason. But really, the reason is probably valid, no matter if it&#039;s an excuse or a minor part of the game or not. Trying to convince folks to change their mind by telling them &#039;it&#039;s a game&#039; is kind of misguided. Kind of like telling a kid that bullying is a normal part of school...and so switching to another school is out of the question. 

I think you raise the very important point on agendas. They are not the point of most games, and if they lead games ...it can be risky. But they are a part of any game anyway. Even if you try your best to have no agenda, you will have one. The result might be extremely visible to players (treatment of a childhood trauma, e.g.) or it can be something that is more typical, like a simple political message that anyone can agree with (torture is bad, e.g.). So I think games can be justified in being conscious (and political) about &#039;reaching out&#039;. The risk is worth it. It&#039;s nice to have games featuring many &#039;types&#039; of people, and not all games require that amount of diversity, but some could use it.

Sorry for the rant. : )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@einwulf<br />
Sure, no group should &#8216;have&#8217; to feature in every game &#8212; or any one game.<br />
Making players &#8216;feel at home&#8217; in game environments is a core quality marker for games. That level of enjoyment is pretty awesome.</p>
<p>Additionally, there is merit in innovation and originality. It&#8217;s cool to have nostalgic ol&#8217; content, but new stuff makes games so much more entertaining. </p>
<p>The way I read it, this article series highlights elements of the Guild Wars games that are different from those found in other current (and past) popular game series. I think you are right that this is an intentional &#8216;reaching out&#8217;&#8230;but &#8216;reaching out&#8217; as in &#8216;helping out&#8217;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure your comment on people having &#8216;issues&#8217; comes across as insulting (even when that&#8217;s not your intent). And I hope you don&#8217;t tell people who disagree that they have &#8216;issues&#8217; too. Having objections to how games treat &#8216;types&#8217; of characters is fine, imo. It&#8217;s not like we have to like every part of our favourite game and find it unobjectionable. Even &#8216;pure entertainment&#8217; can be messed up, or weird to some people, or &#8216;wrong&#8217; to some other people.<br />
Sure, some comments make me wonder &#8216;is it that bad?&#8217; when someone outright won&#8217;t even consider playing a game for some minor reason. But really, the reason is probably valid, no matter if it&#8217;s an excuse or a minor part of the game or not. Trying to convince folks to change their mind by telling them &#8216;it&#8217;s a game&#8217; is kind of misguided. Kind of like telling a kid that bullying is a normal part of school&#8230;and so switching to another school is out of the question. </p>
<p>I think you raise the very important point on agendas. They are not the point of most games, and if they lead games &#8230;it can be risky. But they are a part of any game anyway. Even if you try your best to have no agenda, you will have one. The result might be extremely visible to players (treatment of a childhood trauma, e.g.) or it can be something that is more typical, like a simple political message that anyone can agree with (torture is bad, e.g.). So I think games can be justified in being conscious (and political) about &#8216;reaching out&#8217;. The risk is worth it. It&#8217;s nice to have games featuring many &#8216;types&#8217; of people, and not all games require that amount of diversity, but some could use it.</p>
<p>Sorry for the rant. : )</p>
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		<title>By: Guild Wars 2: Not as straightforward as it seems &#171; Under the Pale Tree</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 17:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: einwulf</title>
		<link>http://thepaletree.net/2012/03/16/guild-wars-just-as-diverse-as-reality/#comment-282</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[einwulf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 04:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you get offended by any type of character (be it race, attitude, sexual orientation, language, bigotries, viewpoints, etc.) , or a lack of representation of a particular ideology or culture or group, then I think you have some issues. Not every game has to reach out to everybody about everything. Very few games are made to promote agendas. MOST games are made to entertain. That&#039;s it. Why make it more then that.

But yes, the developers do an amazing job of making everybody feel at home in their world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you get offended by any type of character (be it race, attitude, sexual orientation, language, bigotries, viewpoints, etc.) , or a lack of representation of a particular ideology or culture or group, then I think you have some issues. Not every game has to reach out to everybody about everything. Very few games are made to promote agendas. MOST games are made to entertain. That&#8217;s it. Why make it more then that.</p>
<p>But yes, the developers do an amazing job of making everybody feel at home in their world.</p>
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		<title>By: fritzywiggins</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fritzywiggins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 20:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree.  I like being able to create characters that aren&#039;t completely idealized, which goes hand-in-hand with creating a character that doesn&#039;t look caucasian.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  I like being able to create characters that aren&#8217;t completely idealized, which goes hand-in-hand with creating a character that doesn&#8217;t look caucasian.</p>
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