Legendary Heartache

As I wrote last week, I recently finished my legendary, Kudzu. I am glad I did it. I love my pretty flowerbow.

However.

I have some bones to pick with some of what it takes to create a legendary weapon. Namely, the precursors.

Part of what you need to craft a legendary – and this is the part I really didn’t mention in my previous post – is a weapon that gets forged along with the various gifts you’ve crafted. It is a weapon that, unless you buy yours early on in the crafting process, you are going to keep in your hands for however long it takes to run from the trading post to the bank to the mystic forge.

And it is, by far, the worst part of making a legendary. I hated getting the mystic clovers. I hated slogging through World vs. World for badges of honor. But more than anything else…I was not happy at all with that damned precursor.

As of right now, there are three ways of getting a precursor. The first is to hope you get supremely lucky and one drops for you – they can be gotten out of meta-event chests, dungeon chests, and drops from champions. The second is to throw weapons into the mystic forge and hope for the best. The third is to save up money, on top of all you’ve already spent, to purchase one on the trading post.

How much money are we talking about? Well, let’s take a look.

precursorprices

Pardon my language…but what the hell. Those prices are disgusting. And there is zero reason why they should be that high. Someone crafting a legendary is already going to be pouring hundreds of gold into their weapon – why is it necessary to throw up to another 700g at it?

With the most recent patch, the chests for meta-events were updated to guarantee at least one rare or better as a reward, and could be gotten once a day per character (this is going to be updated to where the rare or better reward is account-bound, not character bound, with the March update). One side effect of this is the staff Final Rest, which had never before been actually seen in game (personally I do not believe it was actually in the game until this update), has become common enough that it currently sits around 12 gold. Ecto dropped in price from close to 40s down to around 27-28s (it’s now back up to about 30s). One would think that, with the introduction of of more rares and exotics into the system, precursors would become slightly more common, and prices would go down on them.

That, however, has very much proven to not be the case. Prices on precursors have instead mostly gone up in the meantime. Some of them have spikes to ridiculously high prices. Look at the Lover, for example – nearly 700 gold! How on earth is that even remotely reasonable? It was 400 gold two months ago. Sure, it did get an update, and prices spiked after that. But they dropped quickly…and then started climbing again to what it is now.

AJ pointed out that prices going up may be because people have more money due to the update to the meta-event chests, which is causing them to put in higher buy orders, so people are putting the sell listings higher than they otherwise would. This may well be true. However, since theoretically the number of precursors available on the market should also have increased with this change, that should have evened out, and it hasn’t.

This is one of those things where I really wonder how it was released in this way. ArenaNet has said that they want to include a scavenger hunt for obtaining precursors; this shows that they know that this is an issue. They did an infusion of the market with them with the Lost Shores chest. However, the scavenger hunt was also said to be something they weren’t actively working on. There’s been no other noticeable increase other than Lost Shores.

Optimus said the other day that he would like to see another Lost Shores-type chest at the end of Flame and Frost. I both agree with this and disagree. I agree because there’s no two ways about it, they really do need to get more precursors out into availability. It’s not right that someone should have to, after spending all of the time and effort and money that a legendary costs, be stuck then waiting while they save up another several hundred gold to get that one last piece. However, at the same time, I disagree, because unless it’s something that happens regularly, it will be a repeat of what happened after Lost Shores; there were so many precursors suddenly flooding the market that people were selling them for next to nothing, believing that they were going to remain not impossible to obtain, and then the prices promptly shot back up after a couple of weeks had passed. Many people – myself included – wound up being burned hard by this.

The other option, which I would prefer, is to simply increase the drop rate on the precursors. Take that .001% chance of them dropping (or whatever it is), and turn it into a .01% chance. Or something similar. They’d still be rare – very much so. But they wouldn’t be so rare that if you get one, you’ve got the kind of luck where you need to be off in Vegas making yourself rich in real life.

I am very curious to see what sort of shape the scavenger hunt is going to take. I hope that it becomes a thing in that not too distant future – I want to make Bifrost, after all. But I know what I don’t want to do is buy another precursor.

11 thoughts on “Legendary Heartache

  1. Are you sure the supply of precursors has theoretically increased in proportion with rares etc? I thought the new chest system merely provided a guaranteed minimum, not an across the board chance of getting rarer things. I suspect precursors are no more likely to drop now than before.

    • Well, exotics in general have increased in my experience – I know…four people who’ve gotten Final Rest as a drop now? On top of the other exotics we’ve gotten from those chests.

      I can’t say for sure that precursors should be coming out of the chests with a higher rate, but with the increase on rares and regular exotics logically those should have increased as well.

          • As you mentioned, increasing the supply of rares and exotics leaves people with more money to spend. With more money to spend on an auction system but the supply of the demanded good in question (precursors) being fixed , simple inflationary pressure increases the price. People have more money, so sellers charge more.

          • Buy orders aren’t really increasing much, though. Sell listings are, but buy orders are not. Last I checked the highest buy order for the Lover was around 500g. Leaf of Kudzu’s lowest sell order was 425 when someone filled my buy order of 360.

            I think people are getting greedy, knowing that there is a bit more money available right now.

          • (It’s basically a value transfer. The value rares used to have has gone down, but the total monetary supply in the system is the same so that value gets put onto precursors instead. There may also be a demand spike because of the recent changes)

  2. I think the community will have learned from the Lost Shores experience. Fewer people who get precursors from a future hypothetical Karka-like chest will sell them immediately and bottom out prices for a few days. I think people will be more likely to hang onto them at least in the short-term and make a more informed decision on whether to sell, and when to sell. Ultimately, demand for precursors will still outstrip any supply added by a one-time infusion like the Karka chest. It’s a band-aid, but one I believe the game needs every few months until the scavenger hunt is available.

  3. This reminds me a lot of when, in the original Guild Wars, the Forgotten Fan and Totem axe were added to the game, only in reverse. I have absolute horrid luck when it comes to drops (9 years running now) so I had been saving gold where I could but with the prices continual rising like this, it’s just not feasible for me to get even bother with a precursor at this time, unless I wanted to hate myself and farm in CoF. But I don’t and so I won’t.

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  5. The fact that these boss events are so full (sometimes I can’t even get to the map, stuck in overflow), means more drops from chests and more precursors. The chance of a precursor hasn’t changed but the number of people looting has greatly increased which should mean more precursors on the market.
    Not sure why this hasn’t happened though and why prices haven’t come down….

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